Why your MC should have more authority than the pastor…

At least for that time they lead and love the Sunday gathering, your MC should have the authority to make the calls they think need to be made… cut a song, do an extra prayer, cut and ad, change the song order mid-service, even tell the preacher they’ll need to rush through their talk (although I imagine something would have had to have gone seriously wrong for that – but the principle still holds).

See, if you’re going to hold them responsible for the meeting being an encouragement to those there, you need to give them the reigns. From 10mins before the meeting starts to the moment the meeting ends, for everything to do with the meeting, the MC should have the right to make the call he thinks is best. Even if the Pastor thinks its the wrong call at the time, that’s usually something that can be discussed later.

Reblog – But what about the riotous “crowd” (ἐκκλησία) in Ephesus?

There’s one usage of the word “ἐκκλησία” that people have used to argue it simply means “a gathering”. Its in Acts 19, where the people of Ephesus riot because Paul’s preaching has affected the idol-maker’s income.

When they heard this […that Paul says that gods made by human hands are no gods at all], they were furious and began shouting: “Great is Artemis of the Ephesians!” Soon the whole city was in an uproar…
Paul wanted to appear before the crowd (δῆμον), but the disciples would not let him…
The assembly (ἐκκλησία) was in confusion: Some were shouting one thing, some another. Most of the people did not even know why they were there…
The city clerk quieted the crowd and said: “Fellow Ephesians,… you ought to calm down and not do anything rash… If, then, Demetrius and his fellow craftsmen have a grievance against anybody, the courts are open and there are proconsuls. They can press charges. If there is anything further you want to bring up, it must be settled in a legal assembly (ἐκκλησίᾳ). As it is, we are in danger of being charged with rioting because of what happened today. In that case we would not be able to account for this commotion, since there is no reason for it.”
After he had said this, he dismissed the assembly (ἐκκλησίαν).

Does ἐκκλησία here mean “crowd”? Luke uses the normal word for crowd earlier, so why start using the word ἐκκλησία?

It’s because the word isn’t a Christian word… nor is it a religious word… its a secular word. “In classical Greek, the term was used almost exclusively for political gatherings. In particular, in Athens the word signified the assembling of the citizens for the purpose of conducting the affairs of the polis” (“Church”, BEDBT).

The whole issue in Acts 19 is that an army of people appear, people with a purpose and an ideology, but they’re not a legal one. They’re acting like a ἐκκλησίαν, but they’re doing it wrong.

Acts 19 doesn’t prove ἐκκλησία means “crowd” or “generic gathering”, it just proves that Demetrius the silversmith was an idiot who almost got arrested for calling an ἐκκλησία (town meeting) without authority to do so.

Reblog – “ἐκκλησία” does not mean “gathering”

I was told for years that the Greek word for “church” (ἐκκλησία) simply meant a “gathering”… that all a church is, is a bunch of (pretty) random Christians getting together; Whether you know them or not, as long as they’re christians and you’re reading the bible, its a “church gathering”.

But look at Acts 14:26-27 (or Acts 15:30)

“From Attalia they [Paul and Barnabas] sailed back to Antioch, where they had been committed to the grace of God for the work they had now completed. On arriving there, they gathered the church together and reported all that God had done through them and how he had opened a door of faith to the Gentiles.”

Notice what they did; they “gathered (συναγαγόντες)” people. This is the normal word in Greek for gathering or a crowd. But… whom did they gather?

They gathered the church (ἐκκλησίαν). So ἐκκλησία can’t simply mean “a gathering” of people; the word identifies a group of people, a party, a family… who can be gathered.

Certainly, one of the signs of being a member of an ἐκκλησία is that you do gather. But being one of those who gather does not make you part of the ἐκκλησία, any more than coming over to my place for dinner makes you part of my family.

Take away message: 1. If you’ve been told that your “local church” doesn’t exist when it’s not gathering (as I was told at College), don’t worry – it does. (See also Elwell, Walter A. “Church” in “Evangelical Dictionary of Theology” 1997).

2. Who do you gather (συναγαγὴ) with? Are they your church (ἐκκλησία)? Or are you just attending their gathering?